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Post by paulskirocks on Jun 22, 2009 11:08:12 GMT -5
I have heard quite a bit of discontent with the Burris tires from the F200 crowd, and I am wondering if we can take a look at this... I don't have enough time on the Burris tires to have much input, but I take the word of others...
I know that the group of F200s in Utah are running MG reds, and apparently are making them go the whole season. I haven't tried the MG reds, but I ran MG yellows with my shifter, and they are a really good tire. A lot better than the YHCs, in my opinion.
Then another thought comes to mind... Why not an open tire rule? We mix motors, why not tires?
Just wondering... What are YOUR thoughts???
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Post by brad42 on Jun 22, 2009 11:45:51 GMT -5
Funny, I have not heard any discontent at all. We had some lively debate last summer about possibly picking a single compound to keep costs down. But here is how I think things are shaping up on the cost control front...
F200: Spend your way to the front. Sticker tires every race, and you have to stock 44's, 55s, and 6.0s or 7.10s of each. Rod bolts every 6 races, carb kit every 4, Clutch maintainence ever weekend. Wear and tear more extreme because of the torque and speed.
World Formula: Less initial cost and less maintenence overall, 1 set YHC 6.0 tires per race weekend.
Honda Clone: Extremely low initial cost, low maintainence, hand me down YHCs
For my money, I would hate to see an open tire rule for F200, nothing good ever came from an open tire rule anywhere. If we make any kind of change, I think it should be to make the tire more consistent with the rest of NorCal (YHC 2008, YKC 2009). Just my opinion.
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Post by Brad Wunder on Jun 22, 2009 12:00:56 GMT -5
Yeah, other than 2 brand new tires with holes in them I didn't have an issue with the Burris tires. They seemed to last a decent amount of time before they were noticably slower (several races) for this not so skilled driver. Costwise they are less expensive than the bstones (especially right now that Todd has them on sale). What kind of complaints were you hearing?
Paulski, if there were an open tire rule, and if you were to go with a MG tire that lasts all season, how competitive do you think that would be vs. someone running new 44/55s every other race?
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Post by paulskirocks on Jun 22, 2009 12:49:36 GMT -5
Hold on... I am not advocating an open tire rule or not. I am posing the question. If we had an open tire rule, I certainly wouldn't run the MG reds. I was just pointing out that there is an existing F200 program in Utah where they ALL run the MG reds, and Mitch says they can go all season.
I can think of 3 F200 drivers this weekend whose posed concerns on the quality of the Burris tire. I am going on their word. Personally, until I have an issue, I have no issue... The only reason I am bringing it up is because it was brought up at the track. I am not trying to change anything, just reporting.
From a selfish point of view, I would rather use YHCs or YKCs because that is what I run in the Animal class...
Regarding the clone tires, I think it is wrong to REQUIRE used YHCs, just encourage their use. I think it is too subjective on how used is used. However, used YHCs might be better than new ones anyways...
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Post by brad42 on Jun 22, 2009 13:23:36 GMT -5
Point of clarification, I was not advocating a REQUIREMENT to run used YHCs in the clone class. The reality is that the used ones that have been out in the sun and rain for a year are faster. It is a situation unique to the low power of the engine.
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Post by speedrome on Jun 22, 2009 13:36:51 GMT -5
Point of clarification, I was not advocating a REQUIREMENT to run used YHCs in the clone class. The reality is that the used ones that have been out in the sun and rain for a year are faster. It is a situation unique to the low power of the engine. I can prove that theory wrong... ;D |
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Post by speedrome on Jun 22, 2009 13:44:08 GMT -5
Hold on... I am not advocating an open tire rule or not. I am posing the question. If we had an open tire rule, I certainly wouldn't run the MG reds. I was just pointing out that there is an existing F200 program in Utah where they ALL run the MG reds, and Mitch says they can go all season. I can think of 3 F200 drivers this weekend whose posed concerns on the quality of the Burris tire. I am going on their word. Personally, until I have an issue, I have no issue... The only reason I am bringing it up is because it was brought up at the track. I am not trying to change anything, just reporting. From a selfish point of view, I would rather use YHCs or YKCs because that is what I run in the Animal class... Regarding the clone tires, I think it is wrong to REQUIRE used YHCs, just encourage their use. I think it is too subjective on how used is used. However, used YHCs might be better than new ones anyways... The Burris tires are a nice inexpensive option to the rest of the brands... We have been using them for the last couple of years with great success and can only remember replacing a couple of tires due to defect.. There are a couple of sources now for the Tires locally and they will be easy to get. If you would like to save some money on some great long lasting tires i recommend the Burris.. If anyone is having a problem with the Burris tires, please let me know!! |
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Post by paulskirocks on Jun 22, 2009 13:55:15 GMT -5
By the way, I ran a used set of 44's (thanks, Scott) in the rear for my race day yesterday (had to leave on the very worn YHC's in front), and was not unhappy with the way they performed compared to the YHCs. Actually, I am not all that thrilled with the YHCs. I like the MG yellows much more...
However, I would be willing to run clay skateboard wheels if that's what everyone wants...
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Post by speedrome on Jun 22, 2009 14:25:36 GMT -5
Funny, I have not heard any discontent at all. We had some lively debate last summer about possibly picking a single compound to keep costs down. But here is how I think things are shaping up on the cost control front... F200: Spend your way to the front. Sticker tires every race, and you have to stock 44's, 55s, and 6.0s or 7.10s of each. Rod bolts every 6 races, carb kit every 4, Clutch maintainence ever weekend. Wear and tear more extreme because of the torque and speed. World Formula: Less initial cost and less maintenence overall, 1 set YHC 6.0 tires per race weekend. Honda Clone: Extremely low initial cost, low maintainence, hand me down YHCs For my money, I would hate to see an open tire rule for F200, nothing good ever came from an open tire rule anywhere. If we make any kind of change, I think it should be to make the tire more consistent with the rest of NorCal (YHC 2008, YKC 2009). Just my opinion. BH, could we include track times at Davis for the fastest in each class for these comparisons?? . BTW, I dont think following the rest of the sheep over the proverbial Norcal cliff is a good solution.. If thats the case we will have to open up 20 more classes, all run the same engine oil and frown a lot to all be consistent.  |
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Post by brad42 on Jun 22, 2009 17:09:59 GMT -5
I can do that whenthe Mylaps data gets posted.
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Post by norcalacr on Jun 22, 2009 17:55:00 GMT -5
I'm happy with the Burris tires. As I stated last year, I like that they are offered in different compounds and sizes.
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Post by ron90 on Jun 22, 2009 18:14:38 GMT -5
I like YHC's because I know the tire pressures, etc., for Supersportsman. That way I don't have to think that much.
As for complaints regarding Burris tires, I have none. I still have the tires with the problem from the PC race (axle not set causing tire to rub and blemished the tire). The tires are holding up and appear to work. Now if I could only drive better.
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Post by brad42 on Jun 22, 2009 22:46:52 GMT -5
Mylaps data: www.mylaps.com/results/showrun.jsp?id=1193490My analysis: F200 is 2.6% quicker lap times than WF F200 is 13.8% quicker lap times than the Honda Clones The fastest F200 vs the slowest clone is a 16.5% difference This is nearly identical data as the other 2 races I analyzed. Now if we wanted to do some interesting analysis we cold set up some MyChron beacons to get split times. |
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Post by scoots27 on Jun 22, 2009 22:52:54 GMT -5
My only complant was getting tires close to race day because of my low abilty to plan aheadfor my (NEW STICKIES) EVERY RACE. Thank you Todd, forcoming back with your realy cool price.
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Post by scoots27 on Jun 22, 2009 23:00:58 GMT -5
Brad, my MYCRON 4 will do splits for every turn and strate ,thats like about 16 splits at DAVIS.
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