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Post by Simon on Apr 11, 2010 3:24:49 GMT -5
I was chatting to Shawn Mills about his Super Box a while ago and asking which components made the biggest difference. He said the billet flywheel alone really made the Box Stock come alive.
The billet flywheel is a $100 part, but once you have one, you have it for life, it's not going to wear out.
I wanted to throw the idea out there that maybe in the future (next season?) we allowed the billet flywheel into the clone rules. Lots of people claim the stock flywheel is going to kill us all, but I have yet to see any evidence of that happening, but if we went with the billet flywheel we would placate those that are scared of exploding flywheels, and we would have more lively motors to race with.
What do you all think ?
Simon.
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Post by duffy on Apr 11, 2010 13:44:41 GMT -5
Simon, now faster sounds good to me. As long as I can master the driving part of the slower kart first. its well worth checking into thats for sure.. ;D
Duffy #48
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Post by paidroe302 on Apr 11, 2010 15:10:49 GMT -5
Fast is good
I don't think you have to worry about the flywheel coming apart as much or if any. The internals is what I would worry more about the stock rotating assemble coming apart and throwing a rod and dumping oil all over the track and tires.
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Post by brad42 on Apr 11, 2010 17:37:28 GMT -5
Simon, "superbox" is a different set of rules altogether. So now instead of a 15 kart class you'd have maybe 6 superbox and 9 clones (numbers randomly chosen). Our belief is that on a sprint track the superbox will go kaboom more often, it just won't kill you in the process. If you want to go faster we would prefer you step up to WF or F200.
Our current thinking is that the valvesprings are the current rev-limitation device. The stock flywheel will hold together well past the valvespring limits. For superbox you get upgraded springs as part of the rules package, making the flywheel the rev-limiting part. Not a good deal.
Superbox works back east on ovals where 100 clones are showing up, and they are already split into light/medium/heavy divisions. A few guys splitting out to superbox does not hurt the whole when the numbers are that big. We have a ways to go to get the numbers supporting that.
On the other hand, this is not a dictatorship. We are dedicated to supporting all 4 cycle racers regardless of what innards their motor has. If three of you show up with the same thing, you have a class.
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Post by scoots27 on Apr 12, 2010 15:07:37 GMT -5
If the Clone driver wants to go faster, there are sum things that could be done. Loose the weight and run the class @335lb racing into the mid 34's.--- or run W/F,F-200--- or,,,, don't slow down so much.
When you over slow going into the turn you loose all your exit speed with low exit speed you have low strataway speed added to the low corner entry speed caused by slowing down too much.
Duffy has it rite in the idea, as long as I can MASTER the driving of lower horse power kart.
all this with out spending any cash on your moter.
see you at the track ~scoots
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Post by Royce 129 on Apr 13, 2010 22:00:53 GMT -5
I'm for leaving the clone class alone. It's starting to be a success as is. If anyone wants to go faster there are many classes to go to. As far as safety with the flywheel I've heard the stories but have never talked to anyone that had a problem. Now that I spoke my thoughts keep in mind that I'm the guy that goes slower then the kid karts so I'm not concerned about my motor coming apart. ;D ;D
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Post by duffy on Apr 14, 2010 9:24:06 GMT -5
I'm for leaving the clone class alone. It's starting to be a success as is. If anyone wants to go faster there are many classes to go to. As far as safety with the flywheel I've heard the stories but have never talked to anyone that had a problem. Now that I spoke my thoughts keep in mind that I'm the guy that goes slower then the kid karts so I'm not concerned about my motor coming apart. ;D ;D Royce, I'm right with you . lets keep the clone class the way it is right now and keep having fun. Its you and I brother fighting for that 2nd to the last place. Why change a great thing, everyday someone, somewhere ask about getting into it the way it is today. Lets have some fun for as little cost as we can. Headed out to the track in Dixon this morning to make some laps to master that wild clone machine of mine. Duffy #48 |
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Post by warx on May 13, 2010 22:35:10 GMT -5
So... just to be clear, the springs must be stock? So for instance if I were to get an engine from Dover Power I would need to get the Stage 2 and NOT the Stage 3 which mentions BP springs. Is that correct? www.81x.com/doverpower/blankpage/So where are folks typically getting their engines? Thanks all! Mike. |
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Post by brad42 on May 14, 2010 7:38:33 GMT -5
I would call Dover and ask if the "BP springs" are AKRA legal. They are reputable folks and won't steer you the wrong way.
Most folks either get thier motors from ARC racing, or Harbor Freight and modify per ARCs website.
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Post by paidroe302 on May 14, 2010 9:41:21 GMT -5
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