Rules for juniors

[Mac]

Hi All,

My son is moving up next year and is reluctant to go into HPV2 since it is a pretty aggressive class. I was talking about alternatives for him since he still wants to kart. One thought was Jr Box stock and he liked the clone idea. I was trying to figure out the Jr rules and wanted to know what size restrictor plate he needs and any other important differences for his kart from the senior class. Thanks!

Terry

[scoots27]

Terry, I'm not shure if we (the NFRA) have delt with a jr2 clone class yet but I think it would be a great thing.
We need to grow the class so it can stand alone as I don't think jr and sr classes should ever race together.
~scoots

[Mac]

I am clear the Jrs shouldn't run with the seniors...especially if we are running with the F200s and WA groups. I think growing a Jr class would be fun and would provide the future for the senior class : )

[duffy]

Right now we have just the one clone class, But I do see a jr class coming our way real soon. having talked with other drivers and seeing the interest they have and knowing that there are allot of younger kids ( My Grandkids for example ) who would love to drive a clone , So I do see a clone class for Jr.s coming real soon. Lets get this Jr class going. it will help the class grow and watch the kids have fun also. Duffy #48

[Simon]

I assume when you say Jr, we are talking age 12-15 and not cadet age 8-11 ?

I didn't think any restrictors would be used on the 12-15 age group as the box stock is putting out less power than an HPV-2 or KT-100, I thought only the 8-11 year olds in cadet chassis would run restrictors.

Jason & Karl built a cadet with a clone motor and all the kids just loved driving it. I couldn't get my son Daniel out of the thing. I don't think that was restricted though.

So you think a bunch of kids in Jr clones will be less aggressive than a bunch of kids in 2 cycles karts ? ;-)

Daniel is moving up to HPV-2 next year and I know exactly how you feel about what kind of experience that might be !

[RichH]

I have a 12 yr old with no race time at all. Finally got him out there in my clone sitting on piled up sweatshirts. He would welcome some place less competetive to start.

Can I work this into better equipment for me and he can have my old Kart?

RichH #415

[Mac]

Hi Simon,

Yes, I am talking 12-15yr olds and I based the restrictor on the Prairie City clone classic that is coming up. It listed 12-15yr old Jr Box stock as clones with a restrictor. I would be fine without one for him as my son already races faster than I do in his HPV 1.

I am unclear whether Jr Clone would be less agressive than HPV 2 or not but right now the HPV 2 group is BIG, fast and pushy (like push you out of the way) and my son is both on the smaller side and not an agrressive competitor. Don't get me wrong...he likes to compete and win but not in the "I will do anything to stop you to win" kinda way. I think a smaller group of kids who are all starting out together would be a better choice for him.

Rich,

I think your son and Jonah would get along great...and I am sure there must be a way to figure out a new kart for you in that somewhere ;D

[Simon]

Interesting, I have not looked at the Clone Classic rules. I'll check those out. Here's the AKRA rules, it looks like they have a variety of Jr classes defined. Dixon based their rules on the AKRA rules with some tweaks for tires, etc.

Class Structure
Participant ages are determined as of January 1st.

BOX STOCK SENIOR* Age 15 years & up – 375 lbs. – 87 Octane Gas Only – Approved engine: BS Project 6.5
OHV only, with Factory Stock exhaust required. Stamped steel drum shoe type clutches only. (Tires EL Maxxis or
Local Club Tire Rule)

BOX STOCK SR CHAMP* Age 15 years & up – 400 lbs. – 87 Octane Gas Only - Approved engine: BS Project
6.5 OHV only, with Factory Stock exhaust required. Stamped steel drum shoe type clutches only. (Tires EL Maxxis
or Local Club Tire Rule)

BOX STOCK JUNIOR I* Age 8 to 10 years – 265 lbs. – 87 Octane Gas Only - Approved engine: BS Project 6.5
OHV only, with .500 inch maximum intake restrictor, no steering fairing allowed , maximum nose height 14 inches
from ground level to top of nose, and Factory Stock exhaust required. Stamped steel drum shoe type clutches only.
(Tires EL Maxxis or Local Club Tire Rule)

BOX STOCK JUNIOR II* Age 10 to 12 years – 290 lbs. – 87 Octane Gas Only - Approved engine: BS Project
6.5 OHV only, with .550 inch maximum intake restrictor, no steering fairing allowed , maximum nose height 14
inches from ground level to top of nose, and Factory Stock exhaust required. Stamped steel drum shoe type clutches
only. (Tires EL Maxxis or Local Club Tire Rule)

BOX STOCK JUNIOR III* Age 12 to 15 years –320 lbs. – 87 Octane Gas Only - Approved engine: BS Project
6.5 OHV only, and Factory Stock exhaust required. Stamped steel drum
shoe type clutches only. (Tires EL Maxxis or Local Club Tire Rule)

[brad42]

I'd have to poll the rest of the drivers, but in my personal opinion the NFRA should stay away from juniors for now. To be frank we do not have the infrastructure to support it while all of the clubs do. I have no problem supporting the clubs that would be willing to do it, but not as part of our travelling sideshow.

Now I am all for any activity that involves 4 cycle racing karts. But having run a kart club before I have found that the Parents are a Pain in the you know what!

[Simon]

Apr 16, 2010 20:41:07 GMT -5 brad42 said:

I have found that the Parents are a Pain in the you know what!

That is a very good point Brad.

[Brad Wunder]

My personal opinion is we should embrace and encourage Jr Clones. I'm not sure what, if any, infrastructure the NFRA would need to have in place to make this happen. Regarding the parents, 98% of the time any headaches they cause would be the tracks problem not ours.

I see adding Jr. clones as a great thing for families that want to race together. From what I'm reading there is already interest from Terry, Rich and Duffy's grand kids. That would be more karts than the ENTIRE F200 & World Formula classes COMBINED (how sad is that?) at our last race. Adding Jr Clones would also make our road trips more fun (and most likely increase participation) for those members that want to race and have kids that want to race if there is an opportunity to do so. Trips to places like Reno could be come family adventures if the old farts and kids in the family can race.

[duffy]

1st I'd like to thank Brad W. for his input on the jr clones and the road trips yes it would make things more fun. I'm all for adding the jr clones. Now about this past weekend race at the Kinsmen track at Dixon. We had a very bad Saturday night . one of our dogs got sprayed by a skunk. BAD >>>Very Bad Very very bad. came back into house during the night down the hallway to our bed rooms. wow what bad night. by the time we got up and realized what was going on. the damage was done . We spent the rest of the night washing and cleaning everything the dog got into or on to. The Skunk won that for sure, I don't think anyone at the track wanted us there on Sunday to race, We all smelled soooooooooooooo bad really bad and still do LOL Poor Mike took 4 showers . I think we all did. not a very good night at our house. Now you all know why we didn't make the race. LOL Duffy #48

[Mac]

I am with you Brad...I know us parents can be a pain but the kids coming up will be the future senior clone group if we can get them into it now. And some of us parents can be relatively reasonable...at least most of the time

A lot of guys at the track come over to my kart to look it over and then say "I've thinking of converting my spare chassis into a clone" or similar comments. It seems to me the clone class is a level where people start out to get a feel for karting or (for the people already running karts) as a second thought after the faster classes. I think a lot of people would like it as the level they want to compete in. One way to encourage that is to get the kids involved and hook them in early.

Just my 2 cents

[moparracing94]

Just my two cents on the subject, brad I agree a Jr's are the future of the club..... that being said a standard club rule is if you have 3 they'll run um...

[scoots27]

I want to be a Jr and race my kidet clone with a bunch of other racers. MOM, DAD, can I ?
Oh bummer I'm that f-200 driver with no one to race with.
As grown up's sum of the coolest things we can do will be involving the young. We have built A clone class for us, now its time to grow us sum........Jr Clones!