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Post by paulskirocks on Sept 22, 2009 11:56:22 GMT -5
OK, is there anyone out there other than me that would rather run a low key club race rather than the Gold Rush of Crossover? I bring this up because 7 (meant to be 8) races this year were Xover and GR events. Personally, it is a bit crowded with a lot of in between time...
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Post by Rick on Sept 22, 2009 13:48:14 GMT -5
I like the GR concept but, what I've noticed in the process of doing all the GR races is that it tends to bring the Jack-A-holes out in droves. "let me make this perfectly clear, not anyone in the NFRA am I refurring too" I'm talking off track experiaces!, I don't want too name names because I don't really know who they are, just that one was the perant of a hpv1 kid and the other was a shifter driver, poor behavior, something you would see out of spoild ten year old not an adult. at one point I wanted too "split a lip" which is not my normal demenior.
Which brings me to my point!
" the poeple in the NFRA are a better class on and off the track ". The ney sayers and the scoffers need to take a lesson ( CS ) that 99.9% of us will never make it too NASCAR, ALMS, Grand Am, IRL, OR F1...... No matter what age!
Why are we doing this? for the fun, fellowship, and competition.
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Post by duffy on Sept 22, 2009 14:29:16 GMT -5
Rick, I with you here about the NFRA, Your words " the poeple in the NFRA are a better class on and off the track ". My sons and I enjoy the fun, the fellowship, and the competition.
And I'm the 1st to say I'll never make it to Nascar to race. Although I am the Cy-Clone of the box Stock Clones hahaha ( Maybe just in my mind ) I'm happy to be part of the NFRA and look forward to the next race. what a great bunch of racers,
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Post by ron90 on Sept 22, 2009 16:29:23 GMT -5
Hey I already said I wasn't going to make it to NASCAR or Indy. But then again most of the time I never even get around to putting gas in the tank. As I have always said, its about having fun.
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Post by brad42 on Sept 22, 2009 18:28:27 GMT -5
For what it's worth, here is the reason we chose the bigger races.... Exposure of the NFRA to as many people as possible. Period. secondary benefits are we get to watch some good racing (The 125 stock Moto heat race at Stockton comes to mind).
But we have seen definite advantages to showing up at a ho-hum club race, because at times we can represent half of the days entries. And speaking of entries, we have on occasion received a break on entry or practice fees for showing up at a club race, which will never happen at the bigger races. Being a big chunk of the days entries makes us "The elephant in the room", so if we want to run all together gridded by qualifying time, by gosh that is what the clubs will do because they want us back.
This is a great conversation to have, we need to keep it in mind when we do the actual scheduling in the off season.
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Post by ron90 on Sept 23, 2009 14:16:49 GMT -5
Brad42: You must be talking about Davis. It was so easy to figure out gridding when BradW came to me asking how you could grid. I think we cleared it in about one minute (all together by qualifying time). That was a fun race with F200, WF, and Clone together.
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Post by Dean on Sept 23, 2009 15:22:17 GMT -5
I like running everyone together, It's sad that I have to run a WF just to keep up with the clones but I like it be cause it actually gives me someone to race with,otherwise the F200's and WF's would be constantly lapping me. : )
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Post by duffy on Sept 23, 2009 16:20:04 GMT -5
Dean, The more I get to know you the better I like ya, I'm very happy to have you in a race with me and my clone and one day I'll be able to say I beat a WF. with my clone. LOL Are you going to be at Dixon this weekend, Hope to see you there.
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Post by paulskirocks on Sept 23, 2009 19:22:16 GMT -5
Dean, you'll get a lot faster. It just seems to happen...
I don't mind the mixing of the clones with WF at all, although I don't like the mix of WF and F200...
My point of this post is the difference between low key club races, and big races like the Gold Rush or Crossover. I like the mellow atmosphere of the basic club races better...
Regarding how we are gridded is a different story, which has to do with where we are gridded when we do run together. It is the general opinion in NFRA that we be gridded according to where we qualify, rather than by class. I agree. The issue is that some of tracks oblige us, while some don't. Ron pointed out that Blue Max Kart Club in Davis is HAPPY and WILLING to let us race the way we please, rather than dictate how it is... THAT is one of the benefits to low key club racing...
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Post by brad42 on Sept 23, 2009 21:51:04 GMT -5
The issue is that some of tracks oblige us, while some don't. Ron pointed out that Blue Max Kart Club in Davis is HAPPY and WILLING to let us race the way we please, rather than dictate how it is... THAT is one of the benefits to low key club racing... No argument that Davis obliges us in that regard. The point is that this year we should ask all the tracks about it before this years scheduling session, because that could be a data point in what we do in 2010. To be honest I do not see any issue with Dixon or Reno so asking is just a formality. Atwater and PC Next year are a bit unknown, and Stockton seems downright scary. We should also seriously consider Redding. But the beginning of the process would be asking the tracks. All of the tracks (probably even Stockton) would prefer us to run their entire series but all we can offer is two races or none. |
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Post by paulskirocks on Sept 24, 2009 9:37:59 GMT -5
Well, Dan Pellizzari of Shasta Kart Klub (Redding) flat out refused us last year. He has an IKF agenda... Although, he is stepping down as president this year...
Why is Stockton scary? (Other than the fact that Stockton can be a scary neighborhood...)
Personally, I think a home track is in order, with some road trips added in. If Dixon is going to continue to have high counts of BSC racers, then I feel a sense of obligation to support them, as BSC is the class I will be running, from now on...
So, I will be interested to see how NFRA schedules next season, and what kind of BSC counts Dixon and Davis will have...
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Post by duffy on Sept 24, 2009 11:24:28 GMT -5
Paulski, I'm with you here, Lets see how others feel about a home for the N.F.R.A. Being part of the N.F.R.A. Nomads traveling from Track to Track racing was allot of fun this year. I really enjoyed going to The Reno Track and then down to At-water to race, I really enjoy the Dixon & Davis Clubs they seem to welcome us with open arms. P.C. is just a couple miles away from my house, But I like the feelings I get from the other clubs, What a great bunch of people at all the tracks. I think a Home track would be a plus for us.
As far as the Shasta Kart Klub (Redding) I'd make that drive to race with you and your clone if they would open up to us. But from what you have said it is unlikely to happen.
So lets see what feed back we get from this. I'll be at Dixon this weekend having fun in my clone.
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Post by scoots27 on Sept 24, 2009 18:30:03 GMT -5
It seems to me that the intrest in f-200 is going away. I have nothing to say!
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Post by paulskirocks on Sept 24, 2009 21:46:01 GMT -5
Scoots27, don't be sad...
Hook up your clone and be rad...
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Post by Brad Wunder on Sept 25, 2009 11:27:42 GMT -5
As Brad42 said, we started racing the Xovers to increase the exposure of the NFRA and 4 cycles. I think if nothing else racing those races does do that. There are upsides and downsides to racing both the big series races and the smaller club races.
The big series races puts 4 cycles out in front of a lot of people. The classes are generally bigger so watching the racing can be pretty entertaining. The biggest downside is that the race day tends to be LOOOONG. However, all the downtime between qual/heat/main can be a good thing. Remember when I bent my axle at the PC GR? Trying to swap that out between practice and qualifying at a club race would be have very difficult. With all the classes running at a GR/Xover race I had enough time to get my ride back into shape (with a ton of help from all you guys).
Club races are generally way more low key. 4 cycles also tend to be a big fish in a little pond sort of situation at the club races. That can offer us some advantages as has already been mentioned in terms of reduced fees etc. For example, Reno generally offers us member race fees and reduced practice fees (by the way, Reno would like us to have two race dates at their track next year if we are up to it). Club races also generally mean we are done much earlier in the day. That isn't a huge deal since I'll generally BS after the race while I'm drinking a couple of beers. ;D
In the NFRAs first couple of years PC was our home track. Unfortunately, Gary didn't treat us very well and we came up with the idea of traveling around. Personally, I really enjoy going to different venues, especially now that we've done it for a couple years. The thought of racing at the same track for 12 races isn't super appealing to me.
Next year I'd expect that the BSC class will be an "official" class for both the GR and Xover series (not sure about the F200s and WFs given the turnout this year). That being the case, I'd guess that even if you are a Dixon or Davis member (and racing a BSC) you'd plan to make all 8 of those races, correct?
My personal preference for next year would be to run the GR and Xover races (that's 8) and throw in an extra race or two at Dixon, Davis and Reno to get up to 12ish overall.
The other big question is what is the right number of races. What I mean is, would is make sense to have less races but have higher turnout for each race? Up until recently our biggest class in terms of karts available to race has been the F200s. But we've had a hell of a time getting even half of the available karts at the track at the same time.
As in years past, once all the tracks have released their '10 race dates we'll have our year-end NFRA meeting to discuss what we want to do for schedule. EVERYONE is welcome and encouraged to attend as we want EVERYONE'S input!
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